haha and by the way I didnt even know I was in this group... Haha i was staying out of this and saw somehow i was here...

umm i would not say the new update rocks.... but its not going to get my panties in a wad over it... game is playable and i see a ton of so called pros moving just fine on game. And... whats bopping? LOL bunny hopping and tons of ppl who had that skill r still bhopping away... They just didnt go raging. I guess it depends on ppls attitudes on game.

i only joined to state this opinion. Due to this new update, we have pros and cons. But alot more cons. hit reg is signifgantly better, this i agree with big G. But, this game is based around its amazing movement system. With out the bhop the game is utter ♥♥♥♥. Not to mention....just as vit g said, all our competitive maps that have been played for the last 6 years are now useless. The pro hl2dm league is now destroyed. Everyone is leaving to more advanced game. Everyone meaning the pros. I will not be forced to play with people that suck just because they cannot play with the big boyz. I know and speak for all the pro clans including my own. 911, $W, Synergy, Xs, Raw, MySkill, SpD and many more. Now what guyz, i for one vote for sub zeros orange box version. Or better yet AG2. Hl2 Dm will never be the same. Sorry for those that have put so much effort into the advanced game play. I know i speak for alot on this because i for one have trained many players in advanced dm. Years waisted

uhhh, whats bopping, lolz

I don't think my game has crashed since the new update. Haven't played all too much. Bhopping doesn't seem remarkably different, thought it was a bit faster myself.

..and I do agree with ninjins. Sometimes you just miss. But damn don't you get pissed off when blood splatters on the wall two times in a row from two mag shots?

Personally, I can live with this update... but, I do find that the flow of some maps is quite marred. Many mappers have designed routes through their maps that are intended to be navigated by a quick series of strafe jumps. When this involves raised platforms, it is necessary to jump, crouch, land, stand, strafe, jump, crouch, land, stand... etc. It takes maybe twice as long to navigate these areas now.

I feel like there's a certain level of speed missing from the game as a result.

Concerning hitreg: It really is markedly better. I joined one of the first servers I saw after the update with a very cynical attitude and I was quickly surprised when each shot I knew hit actually registered. Some of you had tuned your rates for optimal hit registration, and some of you got very used to compensating the slightest bit with your crosshair... but honestly, OB engine handles hit reg much better naturally than the old engine.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=17146176#post17146176

♥♥♥♥♥ Whack, rev is out for good peas

This is hilarious cause I've never had a problem with hitreg. I hit when I point at the model and shoot. Guess what? It works. There's no secret. Everyone knows using bad hit reg as an excuse for poor aim. Who doesn't do that? I mean god forbid YOU don't make mistakes. Always the game.

But seriously...valve has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ all of us for how long on updates? After how many attempts at getting ANY of the bugs fixed? They give one poorly thought out update that didn't do a single thing for any REAL bugs in the game and you suck their balls like they're made of candy. You know damn well they put absolutely NO effort into this update whatsoever and "Oh it's not so bad!" I lol in your general direction.

Sure, the bhop is mildly -OK-. I could play with it no problem. But why? The Half Life 2 Deathmatch: Orange Box mod will always be better than what Valve will ever put effort in to. That's the real message here. Be sure to get it right.

bhop isnt even that tweaked...rather have better hitreg and learn to deal with the new bhop rather then jsut ♥♥♥♥♥ abuot it

Um, I could bhop just fine today. As long as you start your first jump standing, then crouch in mid air, it should work just fine.