I miss this group

Conga Nerf sucks my ♥♥♥♥

Whoa whoa, didn't this group used to have exactly 53 members for all eternity with only superarces Lamiiku and myself ever saying anything on it? Where did you guys come from?

MINIGUN NERF!! I CALL ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!!!

Another cool group. What do we do here that's so different?

Seems like a cool group!

RIP insightful and respectful disucssions/debates about how to improve the game

Isn't that a good thing? That means that there is nothing horribly wrong with the game that hasn't already been touched upon.

This group used to be so active. But then that all suddenly changed when arces and I ran out of ideas to argue about.

Including you

Still? but more people have commented on it again since then.

@Mantis:

Yes you did. I am very frightened.

Did I scare everyone off from the Short Circuit discussion after almost doubling the page's length with 3 consecutive comments?

Please do so then. I was trying to post a comment on it about merging the two topics but I couldn't post it, only to refresh the page and find that it was already gone.

I can always undo the delete if you like!

I'm not sure if it was superaces or roxas that posted it but one of you had an idea for a weapon and made a new discussion about it and then I told them I already had a discussion on the matter so they deleted it before I could suggest to merge the two discussion then never posted their idea on the old one. I was hoping you'd post it there because I like to hear about new weapon ideas and I don't remember what it was.

Just unloaded an excessively long rant about the short circuit. My appologies but it all needed to be said.

Many of the items that they've totally cvhanged the way they work could have just been new weapons is what I meant. Instead of coming out with new weapons they take away our old ones to give us new weapons rather than buffing or debuffing said weapons. That's not to say that some weapons they changed have maintained their general role but many were basically new weapons enitirely.

@Land Mantis
Well, what is there to add that hasn't been touched upon already?

Remeber when tf2 would get new weapons with new updates instead of simply changing old weapons? It wasn't all that long ago, back in 2012. I miss that.

Feel free to still use the comments for day-to-day things! Not everything needs to be in a discussion!

Screw it, i'm out, every opinion I've made so far has been shot down, so, i'm leaving

All things I thought of bringing up but I didn't want to turn the main comment section into a discussion about Scout melees.

Also consider that scouts go down in 2 hits. You can bait them into getting too close, then walloping them with more powerful melee. Or, just shoot their faces off, either way works just fine.

@Ez

The reason scout does 35 damage per hit is because he hits faster. He actually does more damage over time than the other classes.

What Lamii and I are doing is going down a list from scout to spy thinking of every weapon.
The only reason we started the way we did is because we wanted to get the most commonly thought of OP weapons done first, so we wouldn't get spammed.
After these, we will make a discussion for weapons that need buffs/nerfs.
If you have already posted a discussion, we will skip that weapon.

Ez I couldn't disagree more but if you really want to discuss it I recommend you make a discussion about it.

I demand scout melee buff. Everyclass does above 40 damage even the damn spy's butter knife (face stab). whilst the scout only does a solid 30-35 (stock bat). That is some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, or atleast nerf everyone's melee damage output to make it more sense. I mean you can go around demo knighting and trolldering cause it's actually plausible but running around with a scout with a melee weapon out is like begging to be shot; it just aint right man :<.

I'm pretty much looking through my BP for things I feel need a buff or debuff, holy hell do I have a list

Precisely. It's clear that certain weapons, techniques, and entire classes are unbalanced in certain situations. It's our aim to debate ways the current class balance could be improved.

So... This group is kinda discussing the things that could add some balance between classes? .3. If that's the case, I have an argument involving Heavies; more specifically, their miniguns.